There are some very nice features there.
And more polished/modern than herdr for sure.
Would love to be able to use it as a daily driver.
Cannot switch to it though, mainly because, from what I understand, it doesn't sync/connect with other machines like herdr does. As in, seamlessly.
Theme-ing (light/dark) adaptation seems a bit clunky as well.
And huge TS files in the source code are not encouraging for how this will scale, or how many bugs will come up.
Still, I appreciate sharing your work with everyone. Thank you.
I work off of several machines, and the lack of native remoting has been frustrating for me so it’s the next big thing to add :)
Can you share the theme clunkiness you’re seeing?
I tried to avoid having another theme system for users to config, but maybe these adaptive tricks won’t quite cut it.
My email is toasty.tal@gmail.com
The huge ts files are indeed concerning, but in practice are more resilient than I had expected. They do eventually break down though, and I have been refactoring the systems as they reach their limits.
(the last one was a breaking up agent providers into modules, motivated by wanting to support Pi and OpenCode)
One question: Have you thought about a voice relay that uses e.g. a local Whisper model ? I found the system-level dication mode of macOS quite unreliable, so have a homegrown own solution (via a Zellij plugin and a running voice relay). I wonder, is this a too-special use case or something people or something generally useful ?
Testing it out, looks good, it does seem to have some repaint/flicker bugs. I was running a customized simple Tmux sessions tabs with agent harness updates over AgentPulse hooks but this might replace that.
Let's see if I can add in some of required version control/git tooling. Might have some PRs incoming for you soon.
I've been using herdr + omp for my agent sessions, I really like the prefix key and how easily I can edit it, does it have the similar prefix? Looks promising I will definitely give it a try. Thank you very much :)
Yeah I am not a fan of curl bash either, but installing via most package managers (brew, npm etc) isn’t much better, since most of these skip sandboxing rn.
Maybe I am missing something, but the second you run the code, it has the same powers and risk profile as a bash curled from the internet.
Maybe something about having explicit versioning?
(as an aside, I think this will change very soon…)
ok I read up on the sandbox.
IIUC, this applies to the installer/formula part. The app itself is still unsandboxed.
I can see that it closes one vector of attack (attacking the install script serving), but beyond that the user still runs the binary outside a sandbox.
I feel that the binaries themselves, both directly and indirectly (supply chain attack) are the elephant in the room.
Any thoughts on that?
I always wished the cli stuff I install from Homebrew was locked down by default, but it's not practical with today's computer systems since it kills usability.
Anyway, big fan of Homebrew. Looks like I can't submit a formula to core until I get more traction on GitHub (stars/forks/watchers).
Otherwise I have to go to taps which takes away a lot of the benefits of being on homebrew-core iiuc.
Last time I tried Windows though, coding agents were pretty finicky on native Windows for some reason. Maybe this gap is closed now though!
If you have the tokens to spend, please give it a try. I am curious to see how well it will work.
The toolchains it uses, Bun & Zig, do work there, and I think most of the system tricks have Windows equivalents
When I first saw this I though "Meh, I'm happy with Herdr", but then I saw "paste images, even over SSH" and I've gotta try it. I also REALLY like the website where you can interact with the example screenshot, that's <chefs kiss>.
However (and I know connecting is on the road map), is it possible to have multiple local connections? That's core functionality for me, I run Herdr in one terminal on my workstation, and on my laptop I ssh in (actually "wezterm connect") and run a "herdr attach" so I can access it both from my Mac and my desk. I've never gotten around to trying the herdr native connect from my Mac because that works so well.
Probably very little. Herdr’s plugin system is quite limited and immature compared to something like Pi. I love herdr and use it daily but it has its limits.
Nice to see people experimenting. I’m not really an early adopter but hopefully the good ideas get picked up by herdr
At this point any coder that forgot (or rather deliberately chose not to) to tell their agent
'oh btw, add the light theme as well and maybe read the system's, if that's not such a bother of course'
isn't worth the time, and they probably didn't bother about the 'a' of accessibilty/ux in the first place anyway, neither is their tool no matter how famous it is or would become.
There's a built-in theme called "Animal Style" that adapts to your terminal's existing theme by picking up & extending its palette, and specifically tries to adapt to light themes as well :)
It works ~alright in light themes, but not as well considered as the default one yet which is why it's not the default.
There are some very nice features there. And more polished/modern than herdr for sure. Would love to be able to use it as a daily driver.
Cannot switch to it though, mainly because, from what I understand, it doesn't sync/connect with other machines like herdr does. As in, seamlessly. Theme-ing (light/dark) adaptation seems a bit clunky as well. And huge TS files in the source code are not encouraging for how this will scale, or how many bugs will come up.
Still, I appreciate sharing your work with everyone. Thank you.
I work off of several machines, and the lack of native remoting has been frustrating for me so it’s the next big thing to add :)
Can you share the theme clunkiness you’re seeing? I tried to avoid having another theme system for users to config, but maybe these adaptive tricks won’t quite cut it.
My email is toasty.tal@gmail.com
The huge ts files are indeed concerning, but in practice are more resilient than I had expected. They do eventually break down though, and I have been refactoring the systems as they reach their limits. (the last one was a breaking up agent providers into modules, motivated by wanting to support Pi and OpenCode)
https://exawatt.ai
I'm big on agent ergonomics. Cool to see what others are doing in the space.
Hope you like it!
For the website, it would be helpful to have either a screenshot or a "sandbox" thing so I can play with it a bit
One question: Have you thought about a voice relay that uses e.g. a local Whisper model ? I found the system-level dication mode of macOS quite unreliable, so have a homegrown own solution (via a Zellij plugin and a running voice relay). I wonder, is this a too-special use case or something people or something generally useful ?
Throwing the ball and watching this little character run was truly a delightful interaction. For whatever part you had in its creation, thank you.
I put a lot of small touches like that throughout the app. It just makes me feel cozy inside haha.
Let's see if I can add in some of required version control/git tooling. Might have some PRs incoming for you soon.
I do have some very basic git tooling in there but would be awesome to beef it up :)
I haven't used OMP before. Let me take a look :)
Maybe I am missing something, but the second you run the code, it has the same powers and risk profile as a bash curled from the internet. Maybe something about having explicit versioning?
(as an aside, I think this will change very soon…)
We also offer a .pkg installer and other installation options so curl | bash not needed for install that either.
I can see that it closes one vector of attack (attacking the install script serving), but beyond that the user still runs the binary outside a sandbox.
I feel that the binaries themselves, both directly and indirectly (supply chain attack) are the elephant in the room.
Any thoughts on that? I always wished the cli stuff I install from Homebrew was locked down by default, but it's not practical with today's computer systems since it kills usability.
Anyway, big fan of Homebrew. Looks like I can't submit a formula to core until I get more traction on GitHub (stars/forks/watchers). Otherwise I have to go to taps which takes away a lot of the benefits of being on homebrew-core iiuc.
I’ll take a look then, as I am unsure how sandboxing will interact with this system since it does a few unusual things
Last time I tried Windows though, coding agents were pretty finicky on native Windows for some reason. Maybe this gap is closed now though!
If you have the tokens to spend, please give it a try. I am curious to see how well it will work. The toolchains it uses, Bun & Zig, do work there, and I think most of the system tricks have Windows equivalents
This is such an useful feature and I'm surprised so few tools bother to implement it.
However (and I know connecting is on the road map), is it possible to have multiple local connections? That's core functionality for me, I run Herdr in one terminal on my workstation, and on my laptop I ssh in (actually "wezterm connect") and run a "herdr attach" so I can access it both from my Mac and my desk. I've never gotten around to trying the herdr native connect from my Mac because that works so well.
Nice to see people experimenting. I’m not really an early adopter but hopefully the good ideas get picked up by herdr
;-)
It works ~alright in light themes, but not as well considered as the default one yet which is why it's not the default.
Can you give it a try?