Laptop Based on 6502 CPU

(maddox.pro)

61 points | by nanochess 3 days ago

11 comments

  • flopsamjetsam 2 hours ago
    https://codeberg.org/TechPaula/LT6502b

    Specs:

    * 65C02 running at 10MHz

    * 46KByte of user RAM

    * EhBASIC 22p2 with custom extensions

    * eWOZMON

    * Compact Flash for storage

    * Built in battery (7400mAh currently)

    * USB-PD Rechargable

    * 10.1" Screen with 1024x600 and 256 colours

    * WiFi Modem (based on this - https://github.com/dhansel/WifiModem)

    * nanoSwinSID for sound (as well as beeps)

  • donpdonp 2 hours ago
    Very interesting project. It'd be nice to see video of it in action and what use cases the author had in mind. A pic in a different post shows the 48k ram chip, and not far away is an SD card of 1 gigabyte - that's a dramatic contrast. The storage can hold the contents of ram 21,845 times over. If an 8GB laptop today had the equivalent storage, it would be a disk of 174TB.

    Browsing by tag 'lt6502b' gives other posts that have pictures of the motherboard. https://www.maddox.pro/?cat=65 (update: the codeberg link has all the relevant pics)

    • Rohansi 2 hours ago
      The 6502 can't actually address more than that. The flash controller built into modern SD cards are also going to be significantly more powerful than the 6502. And I'm surprised you can even buy SD cards that small still!
      • skissane 1 hour ago
        > The 6502 can't actually address more than that.

        Unless you use bank switching, which historically a lot of 6502 machines did use (e.g. Apple III/IIe/IIc, BBC Master 128, Commodore 128, Commodore CBM-II, etc)

    • doubled112 2 hours ago
      That's a CompactFlash card. You often see them used in places where an IDE drive would have been.
  • weinzierl 3 hours ago
    Well, there was the Commodore SX 64. Not exactly lap sized but portable for sure.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_SX-64

    • WillAdams 58 minutes ago
      Not much later there was the Radio Shack Model 100, and a bit after that the Gateway portables, and of course, eventually the NEC Ultralite and eventually the Sharp PC-6220 (which was available under two other brands as well).

      Also, for those with deep pockets there were the GRiD laptops....

      • classichasclass 24 minutes ago
        None of those are 6502-based, though. I think that's why OP referenced the SX-64.
    • kstrauser 2 hours ago
      It weighed 23 pounds. It was approximately as portable as a tower PC. You could schlep one around, but it'd get heavy after a while.
      • classichasclass 1 hour ago
        Beat the heck out of dragging a 1702, a 1541 and a C64 around, though. I have three and they made regular trips to vintage fests because they were easy to set up. They can easily be connected to more drives or a bigger screen. Their only major drawback, and this is a big one, is that you can fry the SID if you plug in the external monitor with the power on. I did that once to my horror, and so have others.
  • Neywiny 3 hours ago
    What an interesting layout for a mobile site. It had the archive and a bunch of other stuff before the post. I thought OP linked something wrong.
  • burner420042 1 hour ago
    "Getting it to at least run BASIC" is a common theme with DIY enthusiasts. Why is that?
    • yjftsjthsd-h 1 hour ago
      It's traditional:) The original machines with simpler hardware largely converged to BASIC, so it's a nice benchmark for "is this a Real Computer™"
      • reaperducer 33 minutes ago
        Hardware didn't really play a factor.

        Every machine ran BASIC. If your machine didn't, it was weird. For a while it seemed like BASIC was going to become the universal computer language.

        IBM even produced a computer that had both AP/L and BASIC built-in.

    • pigeons 1 hour ago
      A lot of machines based on this CPU booted a ROM that ran a BASIC. It seems more of a challenge than running a Forth.
  • discardable_dan 2 hours ago
    This is a cool project. The AI banner looks awful.
  • debo_ 2 hours ago
    When I saw the domain name, I thought this might be:

    https://basharchive.org/#s/Maddox

  • system7rocks 1 hour ago
    Here is what I get confused about...

    Surely a laptop prototype based on such a tested and well-worn CPU with 48K of RAM would be cool, but shouldn't it sip power? Like shouldn't it last for like months on a charge? Or am I revealing my very meager and outdated understanding of engineering with only a bachelor in computer science from like 2004?

    • Dwedit 1 hour ago
      It's gotta be integrated together (and possibly be at a smaller process size) before you get all the power savings. If you have a real 6502, it has no internal RAM or cache, and you need to send power back and forth to the RAM chips. (I presume it's SRAM, but it could also be PSRAM)

      If you ran a 6502 emulator on a cheap ARM SOC, it would be much lower power.

    • oofbaroomf 1 hour ago
      The display also takes power, quite a lot actually - 2-5W
  • user3939382 2 hours ago
    A 6502 is capable of most actual workloads people have, whose profiles actually haven’t changed much. Almost all of our compute goes to GUI and rendering stacks that decorate our actual work.
    • yjftsjthsd-h 58 minutes ago
      I favor simpler machines, but that seems a bit of a stretch. Most people would like to communicate over the internet without every intermediate hop seeing their traffic (so, their emails, their chats, their credit card number, ...), therefore they want TLS which I don't think is practical on a 6502? To say nothing of watching videos and listening to music.
      • stevekemp 43 minutes ago
        I'd compare to a z80 with 64k of memory, which would be enough to run CP/M. That wouldn't allow TLS, or music playback, but it would allow wordperfect, turbo pascal, a bunch of old C-compilers, and a spreadsheet or two.

        I don't think anybody would use such a machine full-time, but with a radio and a cabin it would suffice for offline work.

        Of course there's no native CP/M for the 6502, but remakes have been made..

    • lukan 2 hours ago
      Those people you speak of, how big are their numbers all in all you think? And is that a subgroup of a subgroup?

      Because most people I know certainly have different workloads and need their rendering as part of the work, not to decorate it nicely.

      But for keeping a distraction free digital diary, it might be a nice device.

    • Grombobulous 58 minutes ago
      Zoom calls?

      Maybe Bullshit Jobs was onto something, it seems that my entire work day consists of work decoration.

  • utopcell 1 hour ago
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