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  • weakened_malloc 16 minutes ago
    Unfortunately, this is only going to push Sony/Nintendo/MS more towards cloud gaming. AI enabling these amazing reverse engineering efforts and democratizing access to gaming is amazing, and preventing vendor lock in is always something I'll support. However it's hard not to see them pushing gamers towards needing to play games on cloud only, preventing these kind of things happening.
    • nperez 0 minutes ago
      This continues to be an absolute no-go for competitive real-time games due to input latency. I honestly think there's a chance that game clients might go the way of the recording industry, and they just might not be worth that much.

      As doubtful as I am about the viability of cloud streaming, this IS going to cause a bigger push into live service functionality where maybe you have a light client but the server is authoritative over more and more aspects of the game. Even then, AI can write its own server, so it needs to be full of FOMO if you're not on the official server.

    • wzdd 4 minutes ago
      Microsoft just cut their cloud gaming offering significantly (https://kotaku.com/xbox-cloud-gaming-controller-microsoft-as... and https://kotaku.com/game-pass-will-start-capping-the-number-o...) so that's not happening any time soon.
    • rhipitr 12 minutes ago
      Feel like eventually ai will get so good people will just autogenerate games just for themselves. Same for movies/shows/etc.
    • gchamonlive 15 minutes ago
      It's already happening, every effort into preservation of what already exists is important
    • vuurmot 14 minutes ago
      I honestly welcome cloud gaming. Action RPGs might be dead in the water, But there were many games suffering from data mining, and having their secrets revealed day 1. Bringing games to cloud gaming could restore the mystery in games
      • isatty 9 minutes ago
        Meh, overblown. Very easy to not go looking for that and just enjoy your games.
        • vuurmot 5 minutes ago
          "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."
    • xyst 4 minutes ago
      Have you even tried "cloud gaming"? It’s useless for any game that is latency sensitive (fps, moba, …).

      I have only had success with single player games.

      • vuurmot 1 minute ago
        If revenues are going to suffer because of this, that is the way the industry will move towards
  • lewelove 25 minutes ago
    You will own everything and be happy.
    • Retr0id 19 minutes ago
      For now. In the next few years I bet we'll see AAA games releasing streaming-only.

      Funnily enough I ended a recent blog post on this topic with "You will own nothing and you will be kinda pissed off about it."

      https://www.da.vidbuchanan.co.uk/blog/reversing.html

      • lisplist 6 minutes ago
        True, but if we (eventually) have models which can produce high quality games, who cares?
        • vuurmot 0 minutes ago
          You think people play Dark Souls because it is "hard" and "dark fantasy" Or do people play it because the gaming community at large plays it, and people want to join in the conversation and have fun with the community?

          High quality games were never the point, look at Roblox

        • Retr0id 4 minutes ago
          Games are shared cultural artefacts
  • someperson 1 hour ago
    It's always nice to have local git clone backups/mirrors of these projects because they may eventually be taken down through legal threats eg, Yuzu and Ryujinx.

    Eg. https://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-wipes-out-400-switch-emula...

    • orionblastar 49 minutes ago
      Keep them in a private GitHub repository so Nintendo can't see them. Slowly release it to different Githubs on a different account.
      • jojobas 15 minutes ago
        Self-host gitlab in darknet.
  • dukodk 37 minutes ago
    Are we gonna get a PC port of GTA 6 on day one?
    • pitched 15 minutes ago
      From the amount of activity and how much this all smells like heavy AI usage, I have zero doubt that something will be working shortly after launch. The agents won’t sleep until it boots.

      This project is the first hint I’ve seen of the complete destruction of all copy protection schemes. Scary times for any industry that relies on those!

    • piskov 19 minutes ago
      Xbox cloud or whatever it is called will stream this without an actual xbox
    • marak830 35 minutes ago
      Wrong firmware is being worked on, you would need a version of the firmware that GTA6 is being targeted towards to have a vuln found.
  • vuurmot 16 minutes ago
    GTA 6 is releasing on PS5 right? Who is going to pay a single cent for software if everything can be ripped day 1? Countries with a huge stake in the software industry are going to get crushed?
    • vuurmot 7 minutes ago
      I think the replies to my comment are not realistic.

      The Goldilocks zone for earning revenue for movies & games were always: Day 1 earnings = Week 1 earnings = Year 1 earnings

      The revenue in this case is heavily protected by your IP NOT being copied in a single day, and that people want to experience the product together with their friends.

      When people talk about convenience, is there really any inconvenience in downloading a pirated game/movie on release day?

      • uurrnn 4 minutes ago
        Especially for GTA6. The most amount of money is riding on this. It's still going to be a lot if it's copied on day1, but there is no way it is near their projections.
    • Retr0id 13 minutes ago
      Music and movies can be ripped day 1, and it hasn't done a whole lot.
    • dghlsakjg 11 minutes ago
      Most software and games is available pirated already and has been for decades. You could get pirate games on the original PlayStation two decades ago. Cracking the most recent PlayStation is not going to change things
    • para_parolu 2 minutes ago
      Check steam game sales
    • tripleee 10 minutes ago
      Most games today can be ripped day 1 and they're doing fine. Pirates are a tiny minority
    • gchamonlive 6 minutes ago
      Do people pay only because there's no pirate alternative? Valve showed this with Steam, people pay for convenience and for good service quality. Piracy is an answer to lack of corporate respect about culture and art that's used to create a commercial product, which manifests in enshitification.
    • OptionX 9 minutes ago
      If you think this project, not even month old, can recompile gta6 to pc and it be in anyway playable on release have I got a bridge to sell you.
  • causesothere 32 minutes ago
    I always wonder who the folks who build these things are. If they become too popular, it seems like a good way to have the government pay you a visit you will not enjoy. But they also seem like technically interesting problems to solve. Glad someone is out there preserving these games in any case.
    • dghlsakjg 9 minutes ago
      A lot of people live in places where the government does not really care to use police to enforce copyright, or where this just isn’t really considered illegal.
  • emkoemko 47 minutes ago
    is this like the WINE approach?
    • Xirdus 34 minutes ago
      Halfway between Wine and Rosetta. The binary itself gets modified, but both source and target are x86 so no transpilation.
      • isityettime 21 minutes ago
        That sounds like just Wine?
        • jpk 12 minutes ago
          WINE doesn't modify binaries, does it?
  • dsedgwick 35 minutes ago
    Since the PS5 is already x86-64, the main friction point here is likely the proprietary graphics API rather than CPU instruction translation. I wonder if they handle GNM command buffers by pre-compiling them into Vulkan during that static relinking phase or if there is still some runtime interception happening when the game tries to queue those draw calls.