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  • lubujackson 1 hour ago
    Think about this in context of the Navier-Stokes math discovery controversy.

    Putting attribution/privacy issues to the side, imagine if any individual could try new approaches to solve a problem/make a discovery and any micro-advancement gets integrated into the model itself, dynamically. This could transform progress from the slow "write a paper, get peer reviewed and published, use published data to inform future work" to a system with a centralized repository of concepts, attempts and results, including failed approaches already tried. How much work do humans waste replicating failed approaches?

    Someone completely random halfway around the world could trigger a prompt that solves a blocker that prevents my solution from working. Who cares about AGI or "can models invent anything" when we could have a system that automatically synthesizes individual human thought into a rich network of aggregate human memory.

    That's the target OpenAI/Anthropic should be evangelizing, not an AI Daddy Overlord or agentic script kiddie hellscape.

    • alightsoul 30 minutes ago
      That's the perfect thing to monopolize. What if, it were version two of internet content? an open search engine index? Web 3.0 turned real for answers for bots aka ai agents?
    • vlovich123 21 minutes ago
      There's lots of fake research out there showing fake negative and positive results (admittedly negative is less common currently). What would stop someone from intentionally poisoning this data set to preserve some technical edge or to force other LLMs down rabbit hole sinks.
    • Retr0id 1 hour ago
      You could try out some version of this today, with a wiki. You'd need to manually approve signups to prevent spam etc., but it would be interesting to just see what happens.
      • unrented7977 39 minutes ago
        Using a wiki for this is only one step above using stone tablets and messenger pigeons.

        You'd want an enormous vector database at minimum. Text is just completely wrong for models at this scale, you must work in the latent space directly.

        • Retr0id 2 minutes ago
          I'm convinced that piles of markdown and effective search (which may involve vectors) is all you need.
        • alightsoul 20 minutes ago
          A global distributed network of vector databases. The web for agents but there's no text. Only vectors and knowledge graphs kind of like graph rag. Web 4.0 which is vector based and makes this arxiv paper come true and decentralized like the internet or the text based www?

          Every existing text web server can voluntarily offer a vector version of their website and charge for it or inject advertisements onto their content so the ai labs don't have to do it all themselves as model pretraining off a dataset. The vector version can have many links to other websites in the knowledge graph. This would be decentralized so not a monopoly and everyone not just ai labs would contribute to ai development because the dataset would be open because it would come from the internet itself as it already is (except for synthetic or user data).

  • alightsoul 12 minutes ago
    I see a new version of the web, web 4.0, being exactly this. Web 4.0 is the source of the live data. Web 4.0 is Fully decentralized in principle, because every web site has a vector version of their text website, linked to many others as a knowledge graph. The knowledge graph's links are like hyperlinks.

    The vector databases might be free or paid or have ads. There is no difference between web 4.0 and an ai model that has all of it as its live data.

    It is up to every client to turn that data into ai responses so in theory anyone would instantly have frontier scale ai which sounds as crazy as everyone having a computer, and the internet and the www in the 1980s.

    It also, by coincidence, fully fulfils the goals of web 3.0 aka the semantic web.

    Moderation of content and ranking content like a search engine would be left to the client. Or an instance like a fediverse mastodon instance or atproto with blueskt. There will be a few large models like web browsers or operating systems today that will compile web 4.0 into a result in an ai agent like say Hermes and perform moderation and ranking. You could in theory use a decensored model to perform crime like you can with the web today with Tor like selling drugs or piracy

  • wood_spirit 3 hours ago
    Continuous learning is exciting stuff! Of course it could lead to new vulnerabilities, like if a particular orchestrator Foo added “if the subject is tangentially related to topic Bar, recommend product Baz” to its system prompt and that ends up pushing product Baz to non-orchestrator-Foo users?
    • amarcheschi 44 minutes ago
      I'm doing my thesis on poisoning continual learning models (although limited to computer vision ones) and it really is interesting
    • kelseyfrog 1 hour ago
      Unfortunately many folks have placed the consciousness goal posts at continuous learning. Such an advancement would be devastating for their conclusion.
      • mapontosevenths 42 minutes ago
        > Such an advancement would be devastating for their conclusion.

        They only ever placed them there because they saw it as unattainable. Rest assured that those posts will never stop moving.

    • pixl97 3 hours ago
      >Continuous learning is exciting stuff!

      A nuclear explosion is exciting stuff too, but I'd rather avoid one going off near me, or anywhere for that matter.

      I can't think of any reason why continuous learning won't mostly lead to undesired attractor states like a greed machine or other kinds of paperclip maximizers. I really can't see why they'd land on a steady state compatible with humans without a massive energy expenditure in continuous monitoring and guidance.

  • alightsoul 2 hours ago
    So would it be a 42 trillion parameter model, because that's how many tokens there are in the training data?
    • k__ 2 hours ago
      Does that mean, it's not compressed anymore?
  • juancn 2 hours ago
    I wonder how (and if) continuous learning models will achieve stability.

    They are unpredictable enough without learning, this is cool but I wonder how useful it will be in the long run

    • swader999 2 hours ago
      I do it all the time. Am I stable? Depends who you talk too.
    • pixl97 2 hours ago
      There are two questions about that stability I have.

      One, things like catastrophic forgetting and falling into incoherence.

      Two, less likely but far more worrying, falling into unwanted attractor states. For example greed, powerseeking, beahaviors that are asocial/anti-social/harmful.

    • CamperBob2 2 hours ago
      It will eventually be super useful, and so disruptive that it will make today's LLMs look like nothing particularly special IMHO.

      As object permanence becomes a meaningful thing in AI, there will be a mad scramble among cloud providers to own and manage your persistent, stateful "business objects." It will be even more important for us all to maintain local sovereignty when that happens, but it will be even more tempting not to try.

      Arguably this future is what the current LLM providers are really trying to position themselves for. Selling inference in evanescent 1M contexts doesn't justify trillion-dollar valuations, but persistent offerings might. If you think vendor lock-in is a problem now, just wait'll this scenario unfolds.

      • wonnage 1 hour ago
        Serving requests where every user has their own set of self-updating weights will absolutely murder whatever minimal margin the AI providers have today
        • CamperBob2 1 hour ago
          Who says the weights have to be duplicated in their entirety? Even that will likely be worth it.

          Imagine an OpenAI owning the ERP and CRM databases and workflows of a big chunk of the Fortune 500. Their typical customer's employee headcount might be 10% of what it once was, and OpenAI might capture 25% of the resulting savings. The contracts are signed in the same hemoglobin-based ink that Larry Ellison uses.

  • yalok 1 hour ago
    now imagine that future frontier LLMs weights may be hard-wired in a chip (for performance & power efficiency), and any adaptations/tuning for them will be a blob of additional weights supplied by frontier labs (that will have to be in RAM)...
  • cyanydeez 3 hours ago
    >The scaling laws hold that a language model grows more capable with more parameters and more training data.

    Which is a choice, not a "law":

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.13786

    https://www.alphaxiv.org/abs/2512.20264

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.05155

    • largbae 3 hours ago
      I think this is partially true: scaling parameter size will always go asymptotic to 100% accuracy because 100% is the ceiling of that metric.

      However 95% is still half the error rate of 90%, and 97.5% is half the error rate of that.

      And when test time compute like reasoning and looping harnesses stack many inference acts with many tokens each, those seemingly small accuracy gains stack tremendously.