So you want to use OpenRouter?

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292 points | by player85 2 days ago

36 comments

  • rolfus 8 minutes ago
    This is very useful information and comes at a perfect time! I use Openrouter for my newly released running tracker (I use it for live coaching and post-run debriefs). I've benchmarked a bunch of models over time to evaluate their aptitude for this specific task, and have noticed that sometimes a model can underperform for seemingly no reason. I'll be sure to include model providers in my benchmarking suite going forward!
    • aembleton 5 minutes ago
      Whats the tracker called? I'd like to try it.
  • joshstrange 2 hours ago
    This squares with my, much much, smaller OpenRouter usage. It’s just incredibly unreliable and you are forced to pin providers and even then it can be a crapshoot as the author found.

    OpenRouter sells the idea of swapping being commodity providers but it couldn’t be further from the truth. Provider A is often not swappable for B or C (again, as this author found). It can be crazy-making as you sit there thinking “OpenRouter has no clothes right?! Am I the one that’s wrong?”.

    I love the _idea_ of OpenRouter and maybe Stripe can improve this situation but the only sane way I’ve found to use it is to tightly pin providers to the point I wonder if I should just use the providers directly.

    Without pinning you are in for a world of hurt and unreliability (varying model capabilities, speed, etc).

    • embedding-shape 1 hour ago
      > just incredibly unreliable and you are forced to pin providers and even then it can be a crapshoot as the author found.

      But that's the intention right? Even the name implies they just send stuff around for you, and if you want to control the routing, you'd lock down providers. I don't see how they could build what they wanted to build, and not have it end up unreliable if you freely round-robin between providers, it's bound to work exactly like this.

      > I love the _idea_ of OpenRouter and maybe Stripe can improve this situation but the only sane way I’ve found to use it is to tightly pin providers to the point I wonder if I should just use the providers directly.

      This is quite literally the point of OpenRouter. A unified interface, so you can easily switch providers without changing a ton of code which using providers directly would most likely mean, as there are slight differences between them. And the providers all run different weights, so of course quality/performance will differ among them.

      I guess OpenRouter is a bit like Amazon, in that they're just routing stuff around for you, but to actually find the good and usable stuff, you need to focus in on what providers/manufacturers you know are good, and stick with those. Still, the unified interface helps you to shop around and try different ones when you want to.

      • Spacemolte 20 minutes ago
        1. Yes, but if i can't rely on openrouter to route to providers to give me the best price and the best uptime across a number of providers, and it instead gives me inconsistent results, then I will not use them.

        2. As long as the apis use the openai spec, it should be fine? And what makes you say the providers are using different weights? The blogpost says the exact opposite?

        3. Great example, if amazon does not lead me to good products, I will stop using it, and this is why I dislike amazon. There are so many crap products, and the search seems to try to push crap products instead of what i'm actually looking for at a good price.

        You take a bunch of providers with not great uptime, put them in a pool and now you get great uptime - but it doesn't work if it's at the cost of shitty performance or failing toolcalls.

        • embedding-shape 12 minutes ago
          > 1. Yes, but if i can't rely on openrouter to route to providers to give me the best price and the best uptime across a number of providers, and it instead gives me inconsistent results, then I will not use them.

          OpenRouter does reliably route to your specified model and provider, otherwise it'd pretty much be fully broken. Parent is complaining about the auto-provider chosing, not that all providers are unreliable.

          > 2. As long as the apis use the openai spec, it should be fine? And what makes you say the providers are using different weights? The blogpost says the exact opposite?

          In theory, yes. In practice, no, there are differences. Ollama, llama.cpp, vLLM and SGLang all say "ChatCompletionRequest" compatible, but the devil is in the details, they don't have 100% the same request/response schema across all compatible models.

          > 3. Great example, if amazon does not lead me to good products, I will stop using it, and this is why I dislike amazon. There are so many crap products, and the search seems to try to push crap products instead of what i'm actually looking for at a good price.

          Yup, makes sense! If you're unable to find models when you use OpenRouter, it makes zero sense to continue to use OpenRouter.

          > You take a bunch of providers with not great uptime, put them in a pool and now you get great uptime

          Huh? That's not how it works or does it make sense, nor have I've seen anyone use OpenRouter like that.

      • bbor 1 hour ago

          if you want to control the routing, you'd lock down providers
        
        I don't want to control routing. I want the model to work how the giant, prominent "BENCHMARKS" section says it works, not randomly have a 100x error rate.

        If OpenRouter is a marketplace to pick a provider while avoiding huge problems, it is terrible at that job. It surfaces literally none of that info in the top-level list, the graphs below are mislabeled and useless at best, and doesn't notify you of this horrifying situation anywhere, even in passing. There's not even a way to compare providers, AFAICT -- you can only compare models.

          This is quite literally the point of OpenRouter.
        
        Their tagline is "better prices, better uptime, no subscriptions". The first two of these directly and inherently contradict your understanding -- neither would be possible if OpenRouter was just a fancy way to change something in their GUI rather than changing the target url of your gateway.
        • embedding-shape 1 hour ago
          > I don't want to control routing. I want the model to work how the giant, prominent "BENCHMARKS" section says it works, not randomly have a 100x error rate.

          Why do you care about the public benchmarks at all?

          The way companies and effective individual developers use OpenRouter, is that you first create your evaluation framework/benchmark, for your specific tasks and use cases, and make that real easy to run and use various models and providers with it.

          Then you run this to gather data. Then you use said data to figure out what works and what the quality/cost tradeoff you want to make is. Then you lock that down in production while you keep iterating on your benchmark to make it match with real-world use cases and keep adding the new models that pop up.

          I don't think anyone serious is just willy-nilly making individual requests against OpenRouter and similar platforms, get a "feel for a provider" then use only that provider. Not only would it be wildly inefficient, but also you need hard numbers to compare so you can make informed choices.

          For this process and workflow, OpenRouter is great, because adding/changing providers and models is essentially changing two strings, rather than having a adapter for each platform you want to try out.

          If you just want best accuracy requests from SOTA models for your agent you run locally or whatever, then don't use OpenRouter, it doesn't make much sense, but use the provider the model maker has available, as almost all of them run their own endpoints.

          • bbor 52 minutes ago
            If openrouter is only for people who "make their own benchmark" in a mission to roll something that's usually made by scientists with large budgets, it should say so and thus fade into deserved obscurity.

              I don't think anyone serious is just willy-nilly making individual requests against OpenRouter
            
            Despite your confidence, that is indeed the basis of this massive corporations entire business plan.

              If you just want best accuracy requests from SOTA models for your agent you run locally or whatever, then don't use OpenRoute
            
            If OpenRouter is only for bad accuracy, they should say as much and fade into deserved obscurity.
            • embedding-shape 46 minutes ago
              > If OpenRouter is only for bad accuracy

              Hmm, yeah, good and condense version of what my previous comment said. I'm much impressed by your reading ability.

    • Mairoce 12 minutes ago
      Yep, I wish more people realized that OpenRouter’s sole value proposition is that they are an LLM wholesaler.
    • miki123211 45 minutes ago
      I think Openrouter is great for quick testing, getting a "feel" for the model, or very quick integration jobs where you want to try out as many models as possible.

      For truly production use cases, use Novita, Fireworks, Toghether or something of the sort.

      • nacs 41 minutes ago
        Did you miss the part of this article where the benchmarks specifically call out Fireworks as one of the worst in their tests:

        > Fireworks scored 46% on TAU, a 30 point gap

        Another surprise was DigitalOcean being bottom of barrel too.

        Companies are apparently willing to risk their brand name by being deceptive about these heavily quantized/flawed model-serving.

    • fc417fc802 1 hour ago
      > to the point I wonder if I should just use the providers directly.

      How many account credentials, balances, and tokens do you want to maintain? Even without automatic failover services such as openrouter are still incredibly useful.

      Personally I pin a single vetted provider in the interest of minimizing risk.

  • neya 33 minutes ago
    The best part about OpenRouter is 200 OK is probably hardcoded into their responses.

    I used to get content: "" all the time and I used to triple check my code to see if I was doing something wrong until I realized most AI providers in general have vibe coded their infrastructure as well and it is just a futile attempt to even fight it.

  • vova_hn2 1 hour ago
    > The same model will benchmark very differently

    Providers probably serve quantized versions without disclosing it. Which is a real shame, because for certain tasks I would be perfectly willing to trade accuracy for cost. But, unfortunately, it is impossible to explicitly choose how quantized do you want your model to be, unless you are running it yourself on your own (or rented) hardware.

    BTW, does anyone knows if LLM Gateway suffers from the same issues? Currently looking at trying it, but haven't got to it yet.

    • joelthelion 22 minutes ago
      > Providers probably serve quantized versions without disclosing it

      It should be OpenRouter's responsibility to protect you against it, by regularly benchmarking providers and giving you the control to avoid bad providers. In fact, that's a big opportunity for them, since it justifies their place as a middleman between users and inference providers.

    • desterothx 55 minutes ago
      I mean that is addressed as well later, even when they do declare the quantization, doesn't mean you'll get better performance than the lower quantized one. I'm guessing they're doing something similar to what stadia was doing, saying you are playing games in 4k, because you're getting a 4k stream, but the game itself is running in 1080p
  • aranaur 5 minutes ago
    > That's enough volume to hit every edge case at least once.

    Is it, though?

  • eitally 33 minutes ago
    This is why it's not recommended to use providers below the Silver level in Semianalysis' rating index.

    https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/clustermax-20-the-indu...

  • bambax 24 minutes ago
    Very informative article, but I'd say all of this is in favor of OpenRouter, not against it. It gives you full flexibility, not just of models, but of providers. That's the offer!
  • bsaul 4 hours ago
    That looks absolutely horrifying. What are the alternatives ??
    • vinhnx 8 minutes ago
      I've been using Merge AI Gateway and it's been useful so far. They tend to add new models quickly, and support has been responsive. https://gateway.merge.dev/
    • john01dav 3 hours ago
      I've had opencode go + opencode work reliably, though I'm skeptical of how robust their data security claims are in practice because they suddenly blocked accessing Deepseek unless you were okay with the data going to China where true data privacy for something like that is illegal, which makes me wonder where it went before, which weakens my trust. It's also a lot less useful now that Deepseek is so much more expensive.
    • maeln 1 hour ago
      Openrouter is useful for quickly testing various models with just one API. In development, it's useful. I would not run it in production tho' for all the caveat mentioned. Go to the first party provider directly, it's cheaper usually. And the cost to rewrite to use their API is usually noting (you can even have both and a feature flag), especially if you just vibe code it.
    • danvdb 1 hour ago
      I've used Requesty (https://www.requesty.ai), let's you pin down providers and build your own routing policy so you at least somewhat know what to expect.
      • nacs 38 minutes ago
        Openrouter lets you pin or blacklist providers or specify provider per-request as well.
    • lukasbm 1 hour ago
      If you only care about open source models, cline and opencode provide usage based access and subscriptions for general API access
    • james-bcn 2 hours ago
      Vercel AI Gateway is one I've used: https://vercel.com/ai-gateway/models
      • maxcoding 2 hours ago
        Vercel AI Gateway also route to other providers, so the same issues can occur there as well.
    • bakugo 1 hour ago
      There are none, this isn't a problem specific to OR as much as it is a problem with serving LLMs in general.

      If you use any other meta-provider that routes your requests to third party providers, you'll likely face the same issues. If you try using any of those providers directly, you'll likely face some of the same issues as well, except you won't have the option of quickly swapping to a different one and taking your credits with you.

      Extreme variance in quality and feature support per provider is probably the biggest obstacle holding back adoption of open weights models.

    • TZubiri 1 hour ago
      Just use a single vendor. Literally nothing wrong with that, and you avoid the complexity of both n-1 of the vendors (leaving you with the highest quality vendor) as well as the issues with the aggregating layer.

      Not sure why people are drawn to this particular blunder. The promise of vendor neutrality maybe? I'll take working product over vendor-neutral slop anyways.

      • bbor 1 hour ago
        > vendor-neutral slop

        Never before have I heard this sentiment, NGL. Vendor-neutrality has been an OS(/FLOSS) darling for, well, the whole time.

        RE:"single vendor", if this post is to believed then you might have picked one that has 100x the tool calling errors for the next SoTA model, if your single vendor serves the next SoTA in the first place. It also completely erases the notion of competition driving down prices -- that would only hurt you in the short term, but obviously would ruin the whole ecosystem long term.

        I feel like I must be missing something?

        • mrngld 49 minutes ago
          How does it erase the notion of competition driving down prices? Endpoints are largely compatible, so the code change required to switch from one to another is trivial. Don't load 6 months' worth of credit in an account, keep it tight. There's fairly little lock-in.

          The most significant lock-in to me isn't even something you mentioned, but rather it's model related; I personally put a little time into trying to optimize my prompts every time I change models, as they all have their own unique... flavor.

          As for tool calling errors, it seems like first party providers are among the best, I got the feeling that's what he was suggesting, though of course that's why you test. You can also go directly to Together.ai or whoever else you please.

          Like others have said I think Openrouter seems neat for testing, but even just as a hobbyist I've been drawn to go direct to particular providers due to irritating little issues that I now see just weren't me.

  • guilhermeasper 13 minutes ago
    I may have completely misunderstood the article, but it's complaining about using OpenRouter with only free models.

    If that's the case, I think it's quite unreasonable to complain about a service that has no cost, but I could be wrong.

  • dangoodmanUT 55 minutes ago
    > Reasoning models sometimes put everything in the reasoning field and hand back content: null, finish_reason: "stop". 345 completion tokens, HTTP 200, nothing to show the user.

    This is actually expected behavior. No content and no tool call is the same as content-only: the agent decided it's done. Anthropic has done this for a while.

  • ltononro 32 minutes ago
    Looks like someone could make some dollars re-creating openrouter from scratch and proving reliability across evals/models/providers/configs
  • Macha 1 hour ago
    I do use OpenRouter for my personal use and this matches with my experience. I still use it because of it's top up model providing a way to not get surprised by out of control costs and being able to switch models with one account, but it's very noticeable at times.

    The models I've mainly been using recently are GLM 5.3 Flash and GLM 5.3. While obviously all these models have some variability, GLM 5.3 Flash feels like it oscillates between "I can't believe it's not Sonnet", but it costs a fraction of that and "This feels like I'm back using GPT-4, why am I even bothering with an LLM?".

  • ggdG 30 minutes ago
    Would model values like 'openrouter/pareto-code' or 'openrouter/auto' be of any help?
  • mesmertech 1 hour ago
    Yea I can believe all these. I've personally have been having issues on these points:

    "200 OK, no answer" - insane that openrouter's main feature is literally a fallback and streaming doesn't support 200 no content to fallback to another provider or smth.

    "rate-limit by IP"... now it kinda makes sense why deepseek v4.1 flash rate limits me on prod but never seems to happen on local. Makes you have to basically pin Deepseek as provider, since I've never had 429 error on them

  • anonzzzies 31 minutes ago
    Yeah, it is actually very bad now. And somehow keeps leaking keys.
    • numlocked 10 minutes ago
      Can you share more about leaking keys?
  • srcreigh 1 hour ago
    Without pinning providers, you pay let’s say 2x more for agentic coding, since that many input tokens aren’t cached as you bounce between providers.
    • hqm_ 47 minutes ago
      I believe OpenRouter addresses this with sticky routing and keeps a conversation on the same provider and falls back if that provider becomes unavailable via an explicit session_id to keep requests together. You’re right though that upon a failure cache is not portable and incurs additional costs.
  • seanieb 1 hour ago
    I keep trying to sign up but they ban my account before I can use the service, and their support team doesn’t respond to my emails.
  • ofisboy 1 hour ago
    I use Fireworks for a production app. Much lower volumes though. My only gripe is their serverless offering for reranking has only 1 model which is Qwen 8b and it's quite expensive.
  • rpjt 2 hours ago
    I never tested this but always suspected it. When I learned that providers differentiate themselves on how they optimize and host the model (otherwise, why would you choose one over another?), I figured some were less "give me the best possible experience" than others.
  • ghm2199 1 hour ago
    > The tool call is in the text

    Noob question: do good harnesses automatically optimize for bad tool calling behavior automatically?

  • _ink_ 2 hours ago
    Wow, that explains a lot. I was using OpenClaw with open router, but stopped because how inconsistent the results were over the same prompt. I thought OC is at fault, never would have guessed that there are differences between providers.
    • quietsegfault 2 hours ago
      The way that OpenRouter frames it with having calls routed to whatever provider is handy encourages you to think that they’re all the same in basic functionality. Really sours me on OpenRouter.
      • EDEdDNEdDYFaN 19 minutes ago
        I wouldn’t blame openrouter, blame the providers that have lower quality of service than they should
  • alexcz 2 hours ago
    could not agree more one pet peeve of mine is that using strict json output also does not work on all the endpoints of the models so I have to go through them one by one try it out and then only whitelist them.
  • grim_io 22 minutes ago
    My limited impression is, that the all the 3rd party inference providers are absolute garbage.

    I was so disappointed that I won't consider any of them for at least a few years.

  • CubsFan1060 2 hours ago
    Another thing to be aware of -- apparently their billing limits don't work. Somehow someone was able to use my key from Singapore. It had a $10 daily limit and they were able to spend $100. Not only that, it got me blocked from all models for the frontier labs.

    On top of that, near as I can tell, there are no protections for your API key. No restrictions by country, IP, etc...

    • numlocked 9 minutes ago
      We do now indeed have IP restrictions for API keys
    • nhecker 33 minutes ago
      Just chiming in that I've never had this experience with them. I set, hit, and depend on those limits regularly. I would be wildly interested in reading what their support analysis had to say about this situation, if such a postmortem was done.
  • fl0id 49 minutes ago
    God that was painful to read.
  • kinard 3 hours ago
    great post, I just put $100 in credits on open router to try different models, I think maybe using the "real" provider is the way forward once I've spent my credits and decided which one I want (for now).
    • philipp-gayret 1 hour ago
      Be sure to spend them! Another great feature of OpenRouter is that they will take your credits after a year. They just delete them. A ToS-legalized theft if you ask me. (Even if you are still actively using those credits.)
      • bakugo 1 hour ago
        As of right now, they only expire credits if you don't use the account at all for a year. This is different from, say, OpenAI, where your credits expire unconditionally. That said, they do deserve the right to expire them regardless, so this could change in the future.

        https://app.answerhq.co/openrouter-ai/articles/credits/credi...

    • irthomasthomas 2 hours ago
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  • Krisso 3 hours ago
    Wish this had more insights on 'cost' - I found OpenRouter credits to burn up fast.
  • jwrallie 3 hours ago
    I noticed some strange behavior when I was setting it up to avoid providers that collect data, hence blocking default providers. Definitely it is worth filtering well tested providers, which is a feature OpenRouter provides.
    • jeremyjh 2 hours ago
      The article that I read addressed this point specifically. "Trusted" providers do not maintain consistent performance, and do not have the same performance across different models.
  • polski-g 25 minutes ago
    Openrouter should obviously lock providers off who are lying.
  • bbor 1 hour ago
    Wait WTF?! I thought performance was, well, performance, not efficacy! OpenRouter's UI in this section is remarkably broken and unclear at the same time, and I have no idea where the author got those clean charts. "AutoExacto" numbers (completely meaningless name) are available for 6 providers, two of which are the same provider, and none of which are even in the top half throughput-wise. When you click "+28 more providers", it just shows a clearly broken modal. And the the next two graphs are even worse. Really all of these graphs are pretty and completely 100% useless.

    I feel like it's absolutely insane that some providers serve the same model with much less efficacy. That doesn't make sense to me. What's going on?! I'm suddenly feeling intense shame for having routed all my non-subscription usage through them so far, and honestly some white hot anger that they would blatantly lie about something so important.

    What am I missing? Is this really true?

  • anik200 2 days ago
    Good job
  • abuds 2 days ago
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  • hadeer626 2 days ago
    Yes
  • npn 2 hours ago
    As expected vibecoding bros cannot even read the manual properly.

    It is pretty trivial to pin a single provider for a model. Better yet, instead of calling the model directly, use presets instead. You can easily change the setting on openrouter without having to update your app every time.

    • ptsneves 1 hour ago
      The article mentioned they pinned the provider and model and the result was bad as well with their own shenanigans. That part was in the end of the article so maybe you missed it.
  • joelthelion 3 hours ago
    Excellent post, thanks for the article. This is very relevant for anyone using openrouter and similar services seriously.

    I feel there is still a lot of progress to be made before we can really trust LLM providers.

    • xienze 3 hours ago
      It's good to quantify the extent to which a lot of the stuff on there is just vibe-hosted. But I think it was always pretty apparent that this was the case. You've got numerous providers all running the gamut of:

      * Hardware availability

      * Competency

      * Scruples