How the U.S. Engineered Its Sovereignty

(spectrum.ieee.org)

46 points | by rbanffy 3 hours ago

12 comments

  • kevin_thibedeau 1 hour ago
    In 1939 the US had an outdated navy, army, and air corps. European instability is the direct cause of the change in US military and economic dominance.
    • pjmlp 42 minutes ago
      It helped that US soil was barely touched during both WW.
  • smashini 53 minutes ago
    idk, maybe being on an isolated continent really helped
    • trollbridge 27 minutes ago
      I would consider Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean to certainly exist, and which formerly were British and Spanish colonies.
    • redsocksfan45 24 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • fusslo 25 minutes ago
    Honestly, this is just a bad article.

    The history of engineering in the USA is actually SUPER important. The article touches on some restrictions the British imposed on their colonies, but it goes much further. The fight for 'Sovereignty' took a long time and was almost never certain.

    I HIGHLY recommend the Yale lecture series. They're not engineering-specific, unfortunately. But still really, really, good (I mean... it's Yale)

    The Revolution with Professor Freeman - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTBSGoYtK0&list=PLDA2BC5E78...

    America at 250 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TNcFQiqHGw&list=PLh9mgdi4rN...

    The Civil War and Reconstruction with David Blight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXp1bHd6gI&list=PL5DD220D6A...

  • MSkill1 58 minutes ago
    I don't think that the corporations and the government would allow a cell phone manufacturer or operating system to be developed that wasn't under their control.
  • brodouevencode 30 minutes ago
    The amount of anti-US sentiment and dismissiveness in these comments are just...laughable.
    • FergusArgyll 23 minutes ago
      Humans get jealous, it's normal. The best you can do is just scroll past it and resolve not to be that kind of person yourself
  • hyko 1 hour ago
    "In 1839 [...] the United States had already defeated Britain’s navy in two wars"

    This statement is wrong and trivially falsifiable. Perhaps the author meant that the U.S. had by that point won some naval battles against the British?

  • shapefrog 1 hour ago
    Kinda glossed over the whole IP theft industrial espionage thing.

    Not at all ironic given the shrieking about China.

    • throwaway27448 6 minutes ago
      IP theft is not a serious concept lol, particularly in international markets. Serious people refer to this as competition.
    • mc32 1 hour ago
      Back then there weren’t as many conventions and treaties governing IP, as one might imagine —which is why the British attempted export controls!
      • shapefrog 1 hour ago
        I guess the same goes for why the Americans attempt export controls in 2026
        • pocksuppet 1 hour ago
          Every successful country has done it. First they make liberal use of others' IP then when they are generating IP themselves they try hard to protect it.

          Not limited to IP, they also do this with real property when they can.

          Not limited to property, they do this with every single regulation. Think about Europe and chlorinated chicken.

  • snowpid 1 hour ago
    Some nationalistic articles are just cringe.
  • metalman 39 minutes ago
    my oh my, the hardware haters are smoking there hats. the real is all. try it, it's good.
  • homeonthemtn 1 hour ago
    This article is cherry picked nonsense.
  • jmyeet 56 minutes ago
    I guess it's time for some jingoistic rewriting of history. If you want to sum up America's rise to power it's the slave trade, war and a healthy dose of luck (eg the Louisiana Purchase).

    There is a concerted attempt to rewrite history on slavery. You will hear things like "slavery was an economic drain" or "slavery was inefficient" or even "it was technology like the cotton gin that created wealth, not slavery". All of it's nonsense [1].

    It's true that industrialization (particularly the railroad ans mass production of steel) was a huge driver in the mid-19th century but what really kicked the US into high gear was war [2].

    It's true that material conditions and real wages started stagnating in the 1970s but this piece writes that off as Wall Street shenanigans. This was a political goal to break organized labor. We had McKinsey producing reports to argue that executives were "underpaid" [3]. The post-war era went from a marginal tax rate of 91% and the CEO to median worker ratio went from 21:1 in 1965 to 351:1 in the 2020s [4]. But also the post-war economy shifted from housing being a utility to being a speculative asset. The median house price went from $18,000 to $26,000 between 1953 and 1973 (in nominal terms) [5] and decreased in real terms. And, well, we know what's happened since.

    But what's less well-known is the link between money going into housing and decline in manufacturing. That's not an accident. Why invest money and run a factory when sitting on a house produces a 7%+ real returns that are government-protected?

    As for the whole "right to repair" bit for tractors and the like, yeah, companies engage in rent-seeking behavior in a capitalist mode of production. Film at 11.

    [1]: https://equitablegrowth.org/new-research-shows-slaverys-cent...

    [2]: https://laraballard.substack.com/p/how-the-us-became-the-wor...

    [3]: https://observer.com/2013/08/the-godfather-of-ceo-megapay-mc...

    [4]: https://x.com/RBReich/status/1575516013009018880

    [5]: https://dqydj.com/historical-home-prices/

  • well_ackshually 1 hour ago
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    • fusslo 1 hour ago
      > "country that lived in easy mode succeeds", yay.

      or "How to say you know nothing about American history without saying you know nothing about American history"

    • al_borland 1 hour ago
      Who handed the US all these things?
    • cyanydeez 1 hour ago
      it wasn't handed anything. America is basically a rape baby old enough to know better, but willing to do exactly as it's predecessors did.
    • mc32 1 hour ago
      We’re not the only ones with a wealth of natural resources. Canada, Russia, Argentina, Australia, Brazil all have per capita even more natural resources at their disposal.
      • canucktrash669 1 hour ago
        With shitty climates. The surface area of optimal climate in the US is likely larger than that of all the countries you've named combined. What's optimal? For example in Canada most farmed areas yield only one harvest per year. And most of the land is barren wasteland. You have some of it as well, but it's not the majority of the territory.
        • amarant 1 hour ago
          Brazil is pretty damn fertile, and nearly as large as the US though... If we're just talking about farmable land area, I'd be surprised if the US is larger than Brazil. Farmed land area is a different thing though. Not sure how what compares.
        • j05ev1f3 1 hour ago
          Geographic determinism is one of those theories that explains everything after the fact and predicts almost nothing
          • canucktrash669 54 minutes ago
            You could say that about any other determinism. Nevertheless, it's a huge factor in the wealth of nations and a pillar of geopolitics. It's also why we don't all speak german today... /s
        • wslh 1 hour ago
          Argentina seems like a counterexample here: the Pampas are one of the world's major temperate agricultural regions.
          • canucktrash669 59 minutes ago
            Argentina's arable land is just 27% of what the USA has. Fact-checking myself... the USA has more arable land than Canada, Australia and Argentina combined. Russia has a lot, but the USA has the most. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_arable_la...

            Not sure where to find an aggregate growing days figure, but there's clearly less of them per arable surface area in Canada compared to the USA.

            • wslh 48 minutes ago
              The thread was about climate. US is 3.5x greater than Argentina.
              • mc32 44 minutes ago
                Not per capita. Look, Japan (and S Korea, Taiwan, Switzerland, etc) have shit for natural resources yet they are not technologically retarded. They have a highly advanced economies and societies.
                • wslh 30 minutes ago
                  This is drifting from the point. The thread was about the share of territory with optimal farming climate, not per-capita anything, and not whether resource-poor countries can be advanced.
          • boelboel 31 minutes ago
            Honestly if other countries did the same stuff as Argentina they'd probably be way worse off than Argentina as the country is still relatively wealthy. They were arguably too rich (and not populated enough with 4 million people in 1900) for a while making industry, especially export oriented industry, less viable sort of like dutch disease.