11 comments

  • john_strinlai 59 minutes ago
    >This thing also has a "Text the President" button that auto-fills your message with "Greatest President Ever!" and then collects your name and phone number.

    when is the onion going to go bankrupt? it has to be soon, i imagine. no way it can compete with reality at this point.

    (the rest of the article is a bit too depressing for me to comment on at the moment, other than saying "wow, gross")

    • cl0ckt0wer 12 minutes ago
      They've pivoted to good news. It's more absurd.

      https://theonion.com/breaking-all-of-world-s-problems-solved...

    • malfist 50 minutes ago
      It's ming boggling just how....cringe... these billionaires that want to run the world are. Makes you wonder if the personas that seek billions are correlated strongly with mental illnesses.
      • psadauskas 13 minutes ago
        Right? If I had enough money that I could make a serious dent in local or even global poverty without noticing the change in my lifestyle, and I just... chose not to, I have no idea how I could sleep at night.
      • sumtechguy 43 minutes ago
        I do not think it is the money that made them terrible. I know all sorts of terrible people that would do the exact same things. The only difference really is they do not have the money to execute on those ideas.

        Money does not make you a good or bad person. It just makes you more of who you are already.

        • malfist 40 minutes ago
          I specifically did not say money makes them mentally ill, but rather the type of person that seeks to hoard so much wealth that they have billions is correlated with mental illness.
        • nancyminusone 20 minutes ago
          Of course the money doesn't make them terrible. Being terrible makes them money. Lots of money. There aren't really other ways of obtaining so much money, which is why if you see someone that has that amount, they should be viewed with suspicion.
      • fhdkweig 35 minutes ago
        To get moderately rich doesn't require a special personality type, but obscene wealth requires breaking laws and asking forgiveness later (throwing lawyers at the problem). Not caring who you hurt while reaching for a goal is a trait of sociopathy.
      • bigyabai 45 minutes ago
        They are perfectly aware of their own optics and do it because you can't escape it. See Elon with his cringeworthy Twitter takeover that still hasn't collapsed, Larry Ellison buying up the media or Tim Cook gifting the gold trophy to Trump.

        Nobody has the guts to boycott them anymore. Billionaires know that you depend on them for news, social media and smartphones too.

        • malfist 42 minutes ago
          > still hasn't collapsed

          Which is why he's playing a shell game with xAI "buying" twitter and then SpaceX "buying" xAI

  • saadn92 38 minutes ago
    The closing point is the one that should get more attention — every single one of these apps could be replaced by a web page. And from a product standpoint, there's really only one reason to ship a native app when your content is just press releases and weather alerts: you want access to APIs the browser won't give you. Background location, biometrics, device identity, boot triggers — none of that is available through a browser, and that's by, unfortunately, design.
    • graemep 27 minutes ago
      Exactly what big businesses do, and governments think what businesses do is good practice. Fore everyone to use an app.

      The UK's Companies House (required for anyone who is a director or has a shareholding of more than 15% etc.) requires a Onegov ID now. They offer a web version with a scan of a photo ID (passport or driving license). I tried it. I thought one of those would work. Apparently the web version needs to ask security questions (reasonable, as the app used NFC to read your passport) but despite the vast amount of information the government has on me (to issue those IDs, to collect taxes, etc) it cannot do that, so i had to either use the app or go in person to a post office in a different town.

      Similarly I got an email from Occado saying that if I used the app I could change orders without checking out again. If I do it on the website i have to checkout again. Why?

    • themafia 22 minutes ago
      > access to APIs

      It's mostly static data. Just publish it under a URL that won't change. Then we could actually cache and archive it.

      • shit_game 2 minutes ago
        The APIs in question are client-side iOS and Android APIs. Most of these apps are just WebViews wrapped in spyware, which is the point. It doesn't matter that most of the content is static or already uses browser-native APIs for functionality like forms, gating access to this information behind a surveilance device is the point.
    • alephnerd 34 minutes ago
      > Background location, biometrics, device identity, boot triggers — none of that is available through a browser

      Most browsers do in fact offer that level of granularity, especially for PWA usecases [0].

      And from an indicators perspective, having certain capabilities turned off can make it easier to identify and de-anonymize individuals.

      [0] - https://pwascore.com/

      • nickburns 13 minutes ago
        Fingerprint? Yeah. Deanonymize? No.

        There's a considerable difference. And doing whatever one can to mitigate the former shouldn't be discouraged by falsely equivocating the latter.

  • joshstrange 45 minutes ago
    Do these posts just get upvoted due to the graphics/animations? I find this site incredibly difficult to read with things re-playing as you scroll up and down and the articles I've read from here are often light on details. The graphics seem very AI-generated (overlapping text and other little issues) which makes me think the whole thing is from an LLM.

    While this post does have some interesting information, I have to wade through distracting animations that seem "off" which makes me questions all of it.

    • tolerance 17 minutes ago
      > Do these posts just get upvoted due to the graphics/animations?

      I don't think so. It's more likely that they're upvoted as a signal-boost; convene here to talk about bad government tech.

      Some submissions are less about the subject matter than they are about providing a space to talk about only the subject in general. I've found this to be the case when the content is AI-generated.

    • beejiu 34 minutes ago
      I didn't even realise it was an article. I thought the grid thing at the top was just an index page linking out to other pages.
    • fhdkweig 40 minutes ago
      I can't read any of it, but the other comment's descriptions sound like the new mandatory Russian Max app, so it isn't without precedent.
    • EA-3167 26 minutes ago
      Speaking for myself unless I know the site and like how they do things, my default these days is a reader view.

      It helps a lot!

      In this case it helped me lose interest in the article within about 20 seconds.

  • bluepeter 32 minutes ago
    Relatedly, I just registered for PACER to download court documents. It's pretty shocking that to get public legal documents the US Federal Court system requires full name, birthdate, address, phone, email, credit card info... and I THINK (it's past the initial registration page so can't confirm 100%) also mother's maiden name and 2 common security questions. Just a treasure-trove of PII if it ever falls into the wrong hands. (What's esp frustrating is even after going through this, I had to call a number and wait on hold for 1 hour to activate the account.)
  • pickleglitch 1 hour ago
    I'm old enough to remember when people actually took the Hatch Act seriously.
  • drnick1 45 minutes ago
    You could not pay me to use any of these apps. All of my own devices run some form of Linux (Debian for servers, Arch for desktop/laptop, GrapheneOS on phone). I generally refuse to use non-free software, the main exception being Steam on a dedicated gaming rig.

    I really don't understand why everything has to be an "app." My phone only has a handful of apps, including two web browsers, through which other things are accessed. No app gets access to location, sensors, the camera, or the microphone.

    • graemep 26 minutes ago
      Apps cannot gather data, and there are lots of things that requires apps now.
      • drnick1 20 minutes ago
        Apps obviously gather data. In fact, on common phone operating systems, they tend to have access to an insane amount of information, including what other apps are used, hardware identifiers, information related to Google/Apple accounts and more.

        As for things "requiring" apps, I am happy to do without those. If I cannot access something through a website on a device under my control, I will not use it. No convenience is worth more than my freedom and privacy.

      • nickburns 5 minutes ago
        [delayed]
  • ethagnawl 1 hour ago
    The names of the offending apps on the cards need much more emphasis.
  • fhdkweig 1 hour ago
    Why is every part of this website animated, and part of the text is backwards? Am I the only one who sees it this way?
    • nancyminusone 9 minutes ago
      I think they are supposed to be like cards that flip over and you see what's on the back.
    • explodes 50 minutes ago
      If the webmaster notices this, the squares aren't great on mobile.
  • shevy-java 27 minutes ago
    There is currently an attempt going on by several governments to crack down harder against the people. While before it was "only", say, California and their age-sniffing laws infiltrating and tainting Linux - thus declaring war against the people, as revealed by Meta acting as primary lobbyist here - today I read that now that age-sniffing was also approved in some european countries (in one EU country the parents are required to install a sniffing app and thus verify the age of the kids; I think it was in Greece. I'd never help any government act as fascist sniffing proxy trying to control and monitor by kids, that is an act of betrayal of such a government), their next line of attack is against VPN. Suddenly the picture shifts, because if VPNs are targeted, how does finding an excuse such as "but but but think about the kids", make any sense? That is very clearly governments becoming increasingly fascist. Add a few lobbyists here and there who benefit financially from this and now we suddenly understand how democracies are undermined. See also:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_corruption_scandal_at_th...

    Democracy needs to be adjusted - right now private interests can too easily sabotage and undermine it.

  • lucasay 28 minutes ago
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