8 comments

  • wasabi991011 16 minutes ago
    I'm having a hard time understanding this article.

    First of all, a quantum annealer is not a universal quantum computer, just to elucidate the title.

    Then, it seems like they are comparing a simulation of p-computers to a physical realization of a quantum annealer (likely D-wave, but not named outright for some reason). If this is true, it doesn't seem like a very relevant comparison, because D-wave systems actually exist, while their p-computer sounds like it is just a design. But I may have misunderstood, because at times they make it sound like the p-computer actually exists.

    Also, they talk about how p-computers can be scaled up with TSMC semiconductor technology. From what I know, this is also true for semiconductor-based (universal) quantum computers.

  • gaze 1 hour ago
    The communication here is clear as mud. WHICH quantum systems? D-Wave? We know D-Wave is a joke!
  • simonerlic 1 hour ago
    Good sign that Extropic may be on the right path here
    • v8xi 46 minutes ago
      Just remains to be seen whether they can maintain capitalization long enough to find PMF
  • cubefox 58 minutes ago
    I'm confused. Do p-computers have any complexity theoretic advantage over classical computers, similar to how quantum computers have such an advantage in some areas? Or are they just normal computers in the end?
    • inkysigma 26 minutes ago
      The answer should be no right? I think BPP is expected to be equal to P and BQP to be not equal to P.
    • DonHopkins 42 minutes ago
      P-computers is just another name for legume-computers, which are great for bean-counting, and are deployed in pods.
  • m_dupont 1 hour ago
    Very interesting article.

    This makes me wonder: Would it be possible to implement an equivalent to Shor's algorithm on a p-computer. Maybe the quantumness isn't necessary at all

    • gaze 21 minutes ago
      The power of quantum computing is constructing the solution to a problem out of an interference pattern. Classical probabilities don’t interfere, but quantum probabilities do. Loosely, quantum probabilities can be constructed to cancel, since their amplitudes can be negative.

      Shor’s algorithm works on the quantum Fourier transform. The quantum Fourier transform works because you can pick a frequency out of a signal using a “test wave.” The test wave can select out the amplitude of interest because the information of the test wave constructively interferes, whereas every other frequency cancels. This is the interference effect that can only happen with complex/negative probability amplitudes.

    • marzchipane 1 hour ago
      That's a cool thought! For those who may not know, Shor's algorithm is fundamentally quantum because it relies on the interference of probability amplitudes, which can be both positive and negative. It could not be directly implemented on a p-computer because you could only simulate this interference, which removes the exponential advantage.

      It's possible that an entirely different approach is made possible by p-computers, but this would be tricky to find. Furthermore, it seems that the main advantage of p-computers is sampling from a Boltzmann-like distribution, and I'm not aware that this is the bottleneck in any known factorisation algorithm.

    • supernetworks 1 hour ago
      A direct equivalent, no, as stated in the introduction.

      "Notably, while probabilistic computers can emulate quantum interference with polynomial resources, their convergence is in general believed to require exponential time [10]. This challenge is known as the signproblem in Monte Carlo algorithms [11]."

    • MontyCarloHall 1 hour ago
      I doubt it. Shor's algorithm relies on the quantum Fourier transform, which requires the complex phase information encoded in the quantum wavefunctions. The quantum probability norm (L2) accounts for interference between the complex amplitudes of these wavefunctions; the classical L1 probability norm does not.
    • inasio 1 hour ago
      The paper compares p-computers with D-Wave's quantum annealing machine, which is limited to only solving certain problems (as opposed to universal QC such as Google or IonQ's, that could in theory implement Shor's)
  • mrbluecoat 1 hour ago
    > We used millions of p-bits

    I'm not sure how this compares to quantum with its dozens to hundreds of qubits

  • ThouYS 43 minutes ago
    P is stored in the computer